HEY, CRAPPIE DOCTOR! I’ve seen there’s lots of fish out there in the Kansas waters still. You need to step your game up before I show you how REAL fishing is done!
Sorry FairWeather I’m not able to move this post but I’m not fishing today and for my own amusement I did have some more comments to make which I don’t think is whining but is actually communication and is in response to brettbran’s post below about the lack of communication. It is also in response to, someone who in fact does know me, ol fishyDan’s post about a Grumpy old fart, and my consideration and concerns for him and at trying to help him through his long days at work by giving him some more stuff to read. 
It sure doesn’t seem all that easy explaining, considering and seeing just how much I’ve already posted trying to explain this already. Just noting this since I don’t consider myself a proficient communicator and spending my fishing time trying explain this all is something I really don’t care to do or consider as a obligation on me.
Yes I did make a assumption here and we all know what making assumptions means. They approached asking ‘you catching any’ and I replied ‘a few’ they replied ‘sure is slow’ and I responded ‘do you want me to move’ at which point I think most would quickly think that their proximity wasn’t really that welcome. And was I really mistaken as they replied ‘ooh No’ and proceed fishing directly in front of me and my direction of movement.
I certainly doesn’t seem like there was enough discussion. Just how much discussion is necessary when one converses with the clueless?
It’s always good to hear about one’s having a good day on the water and not having impeded on others and not being impeded on by other fishers.
Very true and I know exactly of who you are talking about, David C. He is one of the Hillsdale regulars and someone I greatly admire and respect and have had several pleasant conversations with him on the water and at his regular early morning haunt at the station. Little side note here I was fishing that very brush pile one morning and David approached and we exchanged greetings and I invited him to move on in to work the brush pile so we wouldn’t have to talk so loud for us to hear each easily. He worked from that distance for awhile continuing pleasantries and refusing to move in until which time he proceeded to leave and we exchanged mutual good lucks for the day. Lets see did ol David lead me astray here on proper fishing etiquette. I think not.
Just because its well know doesn’t mean commons fishing curtsies should be discarded.
Now if it had been what I consider as normal casting distances there would have never been a ugly situation develop that day. Their casting distances that day appeared to only be a boat length or less.
I’m guessing I may have met you at one of our beer an burger thingies before and if you see me on the water introduce your self and you would certainly be welcome to fish on my boat or around with the only proviso being to answer my inquiries as to just what happened to your motor. :biggrin
X2 give at least 25’-50’ or ya might as well tie up to each other.
Alright, LBM, I wasn’t going to post any more on this incident but you just keep going on and on, attempting to justify what you did. I can’t imagine myself reacting the way you did. Somebody moves in on my spot, I might say something but if I was upset I would probably just pull up and go to another spot. I’m not sure how PO’d I’d have to be to flip a fellow fisherman off. I can’t imagine under any circumstances going by and throwing some big wakes. Not only illegal but potentially dangerous. You admitted in an earlier post that you overreacted. I know you’ve got 2000 posts on here and this is my third. You’ve got a lot of friends on here and I don’t know anybody. But IMHO, you need to drop it. No matter what my friends did, you are the one who messed up. If the ranger had witnessed it, you would probably have a ticket. I told you what boat I drive and if you ever see me I hope you’ll come over and say hello. I guarantee you I won’t flip you off and would never consider doing “wave maximizing turns” around you.
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I reckon my take on this whole thing is, I would have been ticked off also, I like my space when I fish, I generally go for the peace and quiet, although I have been know to invite other in to fish an area, especially during winter and fall type fishing, as it’s usually not that precise of fishing. But, I also expect fellow fisherfolks to be courteous, and at least ask if I mind that they jump in and fish an area that I’ve already established, if they don’t show some courtesy they usually end up sitting next to a smart@%$ that all of the sudden can’t control his boat. Just my 2 cents!
LBM, if I get time this spring, I might have to see if you can take me out and show me your magic!
Yes that is true. I’m just thinking of fishyDan and trying to help him through his long days here.
That just isn’t true. With all my time on the water I have never responded like this and my behavior was embarrassingly wrong and I totally recognize and accept it as fact and I will be on heightened alert trying to avoid having anything like this happen on the water again. It is apparent that I am a flawed individual amongst those of you of perfect and flawless character that would have never responded like I did. :o
No doubt this is the correct and proper response but it certainly does tend to positively reward the inconsiderate intruders actions and just means other considerate fishers can also enjoy and experience these interactions with the inconsiderate and also allow them to have really enjoyable enjoyable time on the water. :rolleyes: I know that I only have control for my own actions but I can sure point out on this forum those that I consider as the unconscious and inconsiderate IMHO.
Obviously we disagree about just how good of a gesture that really is at relaying such concise and definitive info to others of ones thoughts held for them as they part company and continue on their day with no harm and no fowls like in the good old days while driving. I am also aware that today one might be dodging lead and one would definitely be subject to ticketing if observed by the local gendarmes’ for [FONT=Arial]Aggressive Driving[/FONT]. So you all of flawless character can tell us flawed how much better it would be by spending ones valuable time carrying on a long conversation with some inconsiderate trying to change their ways. Oh well that’s just my flawed character here.
All true and repeated comments and here’s one more “mea maxima culpa”
o:o this time.
With those two thousand post it only gives more folks something more for them to disagree with me and dislike me more.
And you and all others are certainly entitled to your own opinions.
I just can’t agree with the no matter what part here and I’ll still hold it my right to make my own judgments as to what I thought they did wrong. I recognize my own faults and don’t think they recognize that they were inconsiderate here. It seems you and I have settled on it that you don’t hold them at any fault for their (IMO) inconsiderate behavior where as I do. The horse is dead.
True and true.
No problems and I’m always willing to meet new folks on the water. After this flurry of postings I’ll probably now be shying even further away from other fishers on the water just to keep from subjecting any others to my disagreeable nature.
Labsnslabs post “if someone jumped in front of you on a tree row” is something I think would be interesting to hash out and as to what you all thoughts were here but I’m worn out and will let someone else bring that up for discussion.
Folks should be considerate. I go fishing to get AWAY from people, but I am willing to share spots with those who are considerate. Usually, but not always, other fishermen are OK. It is the jet skiers and the recreational boaters who drive me crazy!
A number of years ago I was living in Baltimore and I kept my boat on the Chesapeake. I was really burned out from work and I just wanted to get out on the bay and relax. I pull into a cove where I was all alone (and out of the way of anyone else) and I threw out a lunch hook and relaxed in the helmsmans seat with my feet up on the gunnels my eyes closed. A while later some guy comes into the cove with his horn blaring and yelling “WAKE UP!!!”. As they used to say in Alabama, where I lived for a few years, “Some people need killin!”.
Pete
Thanks for your reply, LBM. I’ve said all I have to say so am done with this subject. I look forward to seeing you on the water one of these days.
Hey DHJ I don’t think I gave you a Welcome aboard.Welcome to the site.Lot’s of good folks here.
Thanks, Kingfish. I appreciate the good word.
The fact that YOU wouldnt do all those things makes you a GREAT guy! The fact is, everyone (including ME) may not be quite as…“accommodating” when faced with that type of behavior. Some folks dont mind tucking their tail and FLEEING off into the lake and let the other guy have the hole. Some folks dont tuck. One day, these guys are gonna do this to someone that they will WISH would only give them the finger.
Lets clarify this. Its not about the hole. It doenst matter who sank it, who knew about it publicly, the fish being caught in it, or any of the other TOTALLY REDICULOUS reasons some of you have come up with to justify these two old farts actions. Its about respect. Its about being conciencious of others and being aware THAT YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY PERSON IN THE WORLD! Now, tucking tail and leaving just further instills in these JACKHOLES that what they did is ok. Better yet, it tells them all they gotta do is crowd someone INTENTIONALLY till he leaves and hey, we get the spot. Its bullying. Its inconsiderate, and its certainly not sportsmanlike. I dont go out looking for a problem when I go fishing…so dont BRING me one.
Here is a life lesson in this for you passive guys that allow people to do you anyway they please. They will continue to do so. So will their kids, and these guys case, their grandkids. Now, I have seen guys BOARD SOMEONES BOAT and literally kick their A$$ over less than this. Now, I dont condone that type of activity, but some guys do. And you dont ever know who you are screwin with. You have NO control over how someone reacts to YOUR actions. The biggest problem in this country today is the removal of the fear of an a$$ whipping. You take that out of the equation with zero tolerence, political correctness, and general pussification of this country and what do you know…people act stupid.
LBM, you knew darn well your boat wasnt gonna swamp that boat or you wouldnt have done that. I can tell that by your posts. you were just mad and wanted to let them know. Dont apologize for that. They are lucky thats all you did. Furthermore, they are lucky it was YOU they did that to and not someone with less self control.
This kinda thing happens FAR too frequently and enough is just enough sometimes. This is not a case of a man that doesnt want to share his fishing hole. he already stated 20 times that hes shared that hole numerous times with RESPECTFUL fishermen. This is a case of a man that was brought up by someone who TAUGHT HIM to repsect others. When you are brought up that way, and you practivce it to others, then it is not returned, it burns your butt.
LBM, what you did may not change what they do to the NEXT guy, but heres one thing you accomplished…they wont do it to YOU again!
Kudos
my thoughts exactly kman grttin to old and could not have said it so nicely wtg
so, you slowly pass by me, and then i throw my lure in, I gotta move when you finally come back? Sorry, you should put a big RED X on your fishing water so all of us will know it’s yours.
I totally agree with KMAN, some people take the public water argument to far and a lot of people expect people to accommodate them just because it is a public lake. Since this horse has been drug back out of the grave lets beat on it some more. LBM wanted to discuss the proper etiquette on fishing tree rows now i want to here everyones opinion on that situation. Because in my eyes jumping in front of someone fishing a row is very similar to jumping in front of them on a pile. Now some have commented that the actions discussed on this post were to be accepted because it is winter fishing, but what is the difference if its summertime and fish are relating to ledges? Would it be ok if somebody jumped in front of you and worked the ledge out? Or your working shallow stumps doing ttt method and somebody starts fishing in front of you blowing them out with there trolling motor? LBM I applaud you and your actions I don’t care if you or other people think you overreacted you did want many of us have always thought about doing but never had.
Going to share my dark side haven’t had to use it for some time the last time was eye fishin Elder.Several years ago trim your big motor up so that shiney stainless steel prop is out of the water . If they get to close the prop will make them back off if not they will have some new scratches. Blame it on poor boat control tell them to give you some room if they dont get the hint. Crappie fishin I just tell them to hand me a marker bouy and I will mark the spot for them, because they dont know how to catch fish on there own if they have to move in on you. I only used these during tourneys and they got the point. Fishing for fun I just move to the next hot spot. leaving a wake as i leave. I guess I just dont handle pin heads as well as I use to. With I pilot and hds gps up front I rarely throw a marker out so I can move off a spot easy. Tourney rules should apply 50’ circle around bouy 2 1/2 boat lengths . should give enough room for those that think that being close enough to touch your boat because its public waters makes it ok . To me that is a pitifull way to approach this topic be kind dont make us show our dark sides.
huh?
